Transcripts for Day 2

Group 1

Jos van der Pol

………as Bikvanderpol we determine what we do ourselves, but at some point you get asked to react, you are invited somewhere, the exhibition is in three months or whatever and you have to come up with something. So that's quite fixed in a way. But I don't know how you work?

Mary Bouquet

Well, it corresponds very well with the way I work. And I think that if we can make a concept, that's something we can deal with, in the time that we have. But the question is, should we sit here and make the concept or should we walk up the hill and look down, or something like that? In other words, get moving? Because I find I can't work like this. I don't know about you? But I have to walk somewhere and look at things that are not just ourselves. So that would be my proposal.

Jos van der Pol

Alright.

Lucien Taylor

For it's own sake I'd like to do that. I don't know if any ideas will come to me,

but I agree, regardless.

David Chapman

Do you mind if I come with you?

Mary Bouquet

Yes. Please.

Bryony Bond

That means we can leave the small sound recorder behind if you are going to record us.

Lucien Taylor

With the wind and the traffic you'll be better off without that thing. [the digital voice recorder]

David Chapman

I'll record you taking my photograph.

Mary Bouquet

Multiple-ly

Bryony Bond

People taking pictures of people recording people taking pictures.

Jos van der Pol

That's the way to do it.

[inaudible]

Lucien Taylor

Mary, you keep asking me to restage everything!

Mary Bouquet

Right, so what's so specific about this place? We should go up the hill. We should get a view down on this place.

Lucien Taylor

Go left here.

Jos van der Pol

It's very muddy there.

Mary Bouquet

Can't we go up there?

Jos van der Pol

Well you can, but it's very slippery. Its not ideal.

David Chapman

You probably need your boots to go into the woods. The path is pretty muddy.

Mary Bouquet

There's another path further up because I got lost up there.

David Chapman

This road goes on forever. I drove up here when I arrived and it just gets steeper and steeper and narrower and narrower.

[sound cuts out]

Mary Bouquet

We could be like those beggars that Soumhya talked about. We could just go knocking on people's doors and asking for ideas.

Jos van der Pol

For an idea!

Mary Bouquet

Shall we try it?

[laughter]

Mary Bouquet

Who can do a local accent up here?

David Chapman

Not I. Bryony is the local.

Lucien Taylor

Where are you from?

Bryony Bond

The Wirral

Lucien Taylor

You're the professional enabler and facilitator.

Bryony Bond

Apparently!

Lucien Taylor

Is this a real road?

Mary Bouquet

It's a real road. And I tried to get through to go back to the chapel. I couldn't.

Lucien Taylor

But which of you … the point of having this thing is that rather than having a real jam session, a brainstorming session, we've got to say something intelligent. I don't know how I'll assimilate this event in my future work, or be changed by it. And I think you feel it's a really rich encounter Mary, but you don't know what to make of it either?

Mary Bouquet

It's like an exploration. You take a road. You don't know where it's going. You don't know what you'll find up the road. So you just walk up it. Maybe there's nothing up there.

Jos van der Pol

Nice object.

Bryony Bond

Very nice object.

Mary Bouquet

Maybe that's the way we should go about it. Look for nice objects. Just make a collection. Put it in the bags.

[walking, traffic sounds]

An old church.

Lucien Taylor

So are you doing this because you're a good citizen and you have to? Or do you always go around with a video camera?

Jos van der Pol

Not always.

Lucien Taylor

But often. Do you ever look at your footage?

Jos van der Pol

Most of the time, not always. For example we did some travels with a group of architects in eastern European countries and filmed most of it. But didn't use it.

Bryony Bond

When you go to places with a camera, do you film straight away?

Jos van der Pol

Do you mean with a video camera or a still camera?

Bryony Bond

Either, I guess. And you as well [to LT]? Because you said people started to associate you with the camera, you somehow became the camera.

Lucien Taylor

It's obviously, like in a really small community where you are in mountains two weeks walk from the nearest road. For example like those two guys [shown earlier in film rushes] sitting outside having a conversation, then the camera becomes part of my identity, whereas if I'm down in a town doing something totally different or meeting people for the first time, the camera is a shock and they don't always...during lambing in the year 2000 I went there just to see, without a camera, or I had a DVD camera, but I didn't end up with [conversation continues mostly inaudible]

Jos van der Pol

We can ask a local

Mary Bouquet

Yes, lets ask a local. Excuse me madam.

[It turns out to be Anna Grimshaw]

Anna Grimshaw

Yes?

Mary Bouquet

We're staying down there at the chapel and we're trying to find an idea. We're looking for directions towards an idea.

Anna Grimshaw

An idea, well don't ideas drop from the sky? Maybe you'll see one up there? No? I mean through all that mist and gloom and…

Mary Bouquet

And what's that there?

Anna Grimshaw

That could be one. See that, what's that factory doing up there? With that great big chimney, just there? In the middle of a moor. Isn't that weird?

Mary Bouquet

Yes. Is that where we walked last night?

Anna Grimshaw

No, I think we walked up there.

Mary Bouquet

Would you recommend going up this road for an idea?

Anna Grimshaw

You might find one. I went as far as the white house. There's a pretty amazing row of houses, you can just see the light there. I don't know if you'll find an idea there.

Mary Bouquet

You wouldn't like to come with us and knock on the door and ask for one would you?

Lucien Taylor

There are fields up there, let's keep going.

Anna Grimshaw

Yes, carry on. Good luck!

Lucien Taylor

That's a good sign. At least our group is all together!

Bryony Bond

I was just talking to Lucien, he grew up in Manchester and Liverpool …

Lucien Taylor

Liverpool really. I grew up here in the summer.

Bryony Bond

… and now lives in the States. I had a question for you Jos. Because you live in the Netherlands but you kind of work all over, but do you just stay in the Netherlands, or do you spend huge amounts of time in other places?

Jos van der Pol

For sixty percent of the year we are not in Holland. And then when we are home we have to do basic work, meet friends, do administration, produce work also.

Lucien Taylor

Where in Holland do you live?

Jos van der Pol

Rotterdam

Mary Bouquet

It's the most dynamic city in the Netherlands isn't it?

Jos van der Pol

Yeah and its cheap. It makes lots of things possible.

Lucien Taylor

So does anyone feel they've learnt anything?

Bryony Bond

Today? Or on the walk?

Lucien Taylor

Today and yesterday

Jos van der Pol

Learnt?

Lucien Taylor

Yes. We all have obviously. Like in terms of my own work, artwork, I hardly see any other work, I just live in a little cocoon.

Jos van der Pol

You never go to exhibitions?

Lucien Taylor

Hardly ever, because I live in Boston and I have a day job and kids at home and never get down to New York or anything. And I like that in a way, working without that knowledge of what ever else is going on. But when I am exposed to stuff, like today, seeing everyone's work, I just feel inundated with ideas, so when we saw Rosalind's piece, Eyeballing, I responded to the structural rigour and precision and conceptual clarity. It just strikes me as amazing, and my own work seems so weak and threadbare and loose. Its like the aesthetics of it just seem so jumbled and incoherent and inchoate and not even existing. So when I'm exposed to artistic work whether I respond in any-which way, I find it incredibly instructive. But I can't think of ways in which my relationship to anthropology is morphed by … I don't know. Maybe its because I'm already an anthropologist, so … what about you Mary?

Mary Bouquet

Well, I think it's great always to shift context and every time I shift context I see new things. It's just amazingly energising as far as I'm concerned to see the work of real artists, it's wonderful. So what have I learnt?

Lucien Taylor

Can I point out something while you're thinking, [ ].

Jos van der Pol

Looks like a bunker almost.

Mary Bouquet

This area reminds me in a way of Devon because it's so depopulated, there's absolutely no body, anybody, anywhere.

Jos van der Pol

In Devon?

Mary Bouquet

Yes. When you go for such a walk as this. We might need to trespass to find people, I mean seriously, we might need to trespass on land. That always provokes a reaction.

So what does Amanda want from us? She wants some sort of collaboration between artists and anthropologists. And we are artists and anthropologists walking up a hill….backwards…

Bryony Bond

Jordan Baseman is working at the museum at the moment and is going to be talking to Visual Anthropologists … He tries to find people who are driven by something - Michael Jackson fans, collectors, aging rock stars. And he's made a lot of work that's caused real problems even for the people who commissioned it, so for example the Arts Council of England commissioned him to come and make work about them and work in their organisation and he interviewed lots of members of staff and presented a video afterwards and they said that they weren't going to show it. [inaudible]

Resident

Which way are you going? You just go all the way along the block there.

Mary Bouquet

But what is it?

Resident

Just here?

Mary Bouquet

Yes.

Resident

They're building a new house. The construction that was up there came down in the storm about a month ago. And it was just lucky it was at night time.

Mary Bouquet

What was it made of?

Resident

Stone. There was no underpinning.

Mary Bouquet

Do you live over there?

Resident

No, I'm just here stopping traffic.

Mary Bouquet

Why?

Resident

Well, you can't get up this road here.

Mary Bouquet

We're out looking for an idea. You're the first person we've met.

Resident

An idea for what?

Mary Bouquet

That's what we want to know. So where do you live then?

Resident

I live in Sowerby Bridge

Mary Bouquet

How far away is that?

Resident

Do you know Ripponden?

Mary Bouquet

No.

Resident

Maybe 11, 12 miles.

Mary Bouquet

So what's your job then?

Resident

I'm a bricklayer.

Mary Bouquet

But they ask you to divert the traffic? Just for this afternoon.

Resident

Until the concrete comes again.

Mary Bouquet

And how fast will that structure go up?

Resident

The point is because it came down in the high winds, its going to go through the council. There's only the front section left up now, so its not too bad.

Mary Bouquet

So you'll be there tomorrow. And how many people work on that site now?

Resident

About eight

Mary Bouquet

Could we come and visit you tomorrow and film you?

Resident

No.

[Laughter]

Resident

You're best to ask – if you want to walk up there, past the cement lorry there's a bloke at the other side who's in charge. It would be down to him to let you do the filming.

Mary Bouquet

Sounds good. Can I take a picture of you?

Resident

[inaudible]

Mary Bouquet

You can look the other way.

Resident

I feel very uncomfortable having my picture taken.

Mary Bouquet

Shall we walk on then and see what it is up there?

Resident

Yes, you can speak to Brian.

Mary Bouquet

They are building a house that was blown down in the storm. He has to direct the traffic away. And we can come and visit tomorrow, if we want. We can talk to the boss up there who's called Brian. And there are about eight people working on this site. So it would be something to work on where we don't have conversations anymore about how we do it but where we do something and this is what I was looking for in a way. And this house was a stone building and it blew down in a storm, so it was recent and there's loads of bureaucracy to work through and they're going to fix it somehow. There are eight men working on this. So this is going to be nice kind of site and it's a group of people doing something isn't it?

Jos van der Pol

Are you listening? There's a real old car. Or is it a van?

2nd Resident

Hello there, are we lost?

Mary Bouquet

We're a bit lost, we're looking for an idea.

2nd Resident

An idea? What sort of idea?

Mary Bouquet

That's what we want to find out.

2nd Resident

Oh, I see.

Mary Bouquet

What's this?

2nd Resident

It's a Ford Transit mark 2.

Jos van der Pol

Are you restoring it?

2nd Resident

Not many of them left. I've had it 19 years.

Jos van der Pol

Are you the first owner?

2nd Resident

No, I'm the second.

Jos van der Pol

You've got the engine out?

2nd Resident

Yes, engine's under there.

Jos van der Pol

Is it rusty … Or?

2nd Resident

Oh aye, its not good in places. It's quite rotten in places. No, I want to restore it to it's former glory. It's been me works van for 19 years. I just kept welding it up, welding it up and it's just kept going. So it's retired now. Engines fine.

Jos van der Pol

How many miles has it done?

2nd Resident

It's second engine is that. The van itself's been about 150,000.

Jos van der Pol

Have you done all this work yourself?

2nd Resident

Most of it. Yes welding mostly, not sure I'm going to do any more welding. I've been off work 12 months. I had a thrombosis, a blood clot in this eye.

Jos van der Pol

In your eye?

2nd Resident

Yes, and I can't see properly and I'm not sure welding's going to do it any good. I'll get somebody else to do the welding. It isn't welding that's caused this. I'm told its trying to regenerate itself. So he says don't give up hope yet, it is trying to clear, he says if it does, you're very lucky, they don't normally, so just hope for best really. Apparently it's the nearest thing to a stroke.

Jos van der Pol

Really?

2nd Resident

Oh yeah. Because it's a blood clot like. Asprin's the one. Hopefully it'll be alright one day. But it's been very depressing really. But these things happen don't they? It's life.

Mary Bouquet

The building collapsed up the road.

2nd Resident

Oh yeah, it all fell down! [laughing]

Mary Bouquet

Was it badly built?

2nd Resident

No. What they were doing - it were an old garage and they were making it into a house you see. But they were making it two storeys. So they were digging right down and they just dug the whole lot out and it collapsed. I thought they were going a bit mad at it. I didn't see it collapse but it were one Saturday night it went. And there were a police car and a gas van down here blocking the road. Because when the wall fell out it took a gas meter with it, so gas were all out, so oh dear. They were lucky because there were five people working in it earlier. I just think they dug too much out at once. And there was nothing to hold it back you know. So they've had to start from scratch again now.

Jos van der Pol

So now they have to rebuild it totally.

Mary Bouquet

So there's a lot of traffic comes up and down this road?

2nd Resident

There's a lot of traffic coming up and down. They built 50 or 60 houses up in the village a few years ago and the traffic on this road is horrendous. Goes all day long.

Mary Bouquet

Is this house for sale?

2nd Resident

Next door was. I've been here all my life. I were born in that house up there, 57 years I've lived there. I can qualify as a local I think! No, its nice round here.

So where do you come from then?

Jos van der Pol

I come from Holland.

Mary Bouquet

I do too. Oh yes, but I'm English.

2nd Resident

Very good.

Bryony Bond

Manchester, not that far.

2nd Resident

So what you doing, a project or something?

Mary Bouquet

Well, we're looking for an idea like I said. The best way to get ideas is talking to people.

Jos van der Pol

It's a three-day workshop and today we were sent out and we have to look for something and to collaborate for the first time.

2nd Resident

I see. So where are you based?

Mary Bouquet

Do you know the chapel?

2nd Resident

Oh yes, Birchcliffe Chapel.

Mary Bouquet

Did you ever go to that chapel?

2nd Resident

No. I went to the one further up, there's a smaller one further up the road here. There's only a handful of people who use it now like but I went there for a long time. When we were kids we had to go.

Mary Bouquet

Was it like the one down the hill, did it have a submersion bath?

2nd Resident

No!

Mary Bouquet

So were there two different sorts?

2nd Resident

Yes, that was a Baptist one down there, this is Methodist.

Mary Bouquet

So what's the difference?

2nd Resident

Further on, going down to Pecket Well, that's another Baptist one. That has a graveyard with it.

Mary Bouquet

Is that unusual for Baptists?

2nd Resident

No, not really. But that's not used now. I think the Historic Church Trust has taken that over, at Wainsgate. But there's nobody uses it much. It's a shame because it were a lovely church. They use it now and again for certain things but not often. This one had only half a dozen people to it they found other things to do on a Sunday.

Bryony Bond

Going to the Trafford Centre?

Lucien Taylor

What's the difference between Baptists and Methodists?

2nd Resident

I'm not quite sure honestly. Methodists were quite strict. They advocated no drink or anything like that. But I can't really tell you because I'm not that religious really.

Lucien Taylor

But your parents and their friends were Methodists?

2nd Resident

Yes, my family were all Methodists. I mean when you were kids you were made to go. You had to go, there were no choice. No football on a Sunday.

Jos van der Pol

No?

2nd Resident

No! You hadn't to play out with a ball on a Sunday when I were little.

Mary Bouquet

And until what age did you have to go?

2nd Resident

When I started work I stopped going then, because I went farming, so I hadn't time to go to church really. All work really. I weren't bothered because I'm not religious.

Lucien Taylor

Where were you farming?

2nd Resident

Just up here in village, we had an area there. We had 44 cows. Used to start six o'clock Christmas morning. We had 44 cows all to milk, all to clean out and then a milk round as well. And I used to finish work at 12 o'clock and they gave me rest of day off. Back again on Boxing day, so you had one day off at Christmas.

Lucien Taylor

Were you working for someone else?

2nd Resident

I was working for someone else. Six days for £35 a week.

Jos van der Pol

When was it?

2nd Resident

Well, I started for him in 1966. And I were there 12 years. It's hard graft is that.

But, put it down to experience. Or lack of it!

Jos van der Pol

So what's the sticker about?

2nd Resident

They were going to make a big wind-farm up on moor and they would have ruined it. And everybody were against it so it didn't happen. It may do one day. There were a big dispute over it, because all local farmers were frightened they would dig it up and spoil all the water supply. Once you start digging you can wreck everything. So it didn't happen.

Jos van der Pol

When was the protest?

2nd Resident

Ten year? It's going to be going on ten years.

Jos van der Pol

So do they still want to do it?

2nd Resident

Well, I haven't heard anything about it for a while.

3rd Resident

Want to do it anyway, don't they, want to do a lot now. Over tops of buildings, they have a big wind farm over there.

2nd Resident

I mean they're all right in the right place but if you have them on every hill top round Pennines its just going to spoil it. You live here for your views and you don't want it spoiling.

Mary Bouquet

What's that factory that's on the hill, a bit further down? You can see a factory with a big tall chimney. When you come up this road.

2nd Resident

Oh a bit further up? Yes, that's called Mitchell's Mill. That were a woollen mill.

Mary Bouquet

And that closed down?

2nd Resident

That closed down a long time ago. When I was a little lad.

Mary Bouquet

But it was going until the 1960s?

2nd Resident

Well, late 50s, late 50s I would think. And then there were another mill up here that started as spinning mill, a cotton mill and then that went on to asbestos. That's killed a lot of people has that, including one of me aunties. And I might have it yet. Because when we were kids it was all at sides of road. We used to throw it at one another and there were big extractor fans coming out off buildings because they made pipe lagging and they like pressed it in a mould and baked it. All air coming off it were lovely and warm and you used to stand under it. Yeah, and they used to dump it all round here

Lucien Taylor

They had no idea?

2nd Resident

They did, they did. They paid fantastic wages, fantastic wages, yeah, yeah. I mean where they mine it in Africa people just bring it out in open baskets on their heads, covered in it. Deadly deadly.

Jos van der Pol

So they cleaned it all out?

2nd Resident

Yes, they cleaned it all out and then they demolished it, got rid of it. Killed a lot of people has that place and still killing them.

Jos van der Pol

The factory is paying the people?

2nd Resident

Oh they've had compensation, most people have. But what a place, dreadful. But as I say, I've been in contact with it, so, you don't know. It's in your sixties it happens. If you've got it, you've got it. They can't cure you, you just die. Oh dear.

Jos van der Pol

So what's underneath that? Another one?

2nd Resident

That's a Rover V8. It's stood there for 14 years. I've owned it for twenty eight years that. It's all in bits. It were all rotten. I've welded it up. Wants putting back together. But when I were working I never had time to do them. But one day! One day. You've got to have your hopes even if they don't come true. It's all stripped down to a shell. Engine, gear box and such like. All the hard work is done really. Just wants putting back together and respraying, yeah.

Jos van der Pol

It's quite a nice car.

2nd Resident

It's quite a big car. It's an ex-police car. It were in Manchester. Because I used to take it to car shows. And I met a fellow there one day and he said that used to be ex-police didn't it? I says yeah, how did you know? And he said, I used to drive next one on to it. He recognised it from the number plate.

Jos van der Pol

So you bought it from the police?

2nd Resident

No, I bought it from a garage. That's been a good car has that. I've actually got a gas converter to put on it.

Jos van der Pol

So you can run it on gas?

2nd Resident

That will be a lot cheaper. Because my nephew had a Range Rover which he ran on gas, so he's now scrapped that but he's kept the conversion, so I can put it on this. That'll be cheaper.

Jos van der Pol

You have another car?

2nd Resident

That's a ford escort. I've sold it. I used to have a Morris Minor

Jos van der Pol

OK

2nd Resident

Customised.

Jos van der Pol

Uh huh.

2nd Resident

Fiat 2L twin cam engine in it. Beautiful motor. It were a belting motor that. Took me three years to make it. I widened all the wings and put special wheels on it and all sorts. Spent half me life in here!

Jos van der Pol

It's a good place.

2nd Resident

It is a good place, yeah. Central heating.

Mary Bouquet

We could see it as we were walking up the hill, it looked beautiful. I thought it was a shop, it looked really homely.

Jos van der Pol

So you built it yourself?

2nd Resident

Yes, I built it all meself. Took a bit of making really.

Jos van der Pol

So you spend a lot of time here?

2nd Resident

A lot of time! When I were younger I used to be down here until ten o'clock at night.

Jos van der Pol

OK.

Mary Bouquet

So we're just walking on up the hill. Maybe we're too late to talk to the foreman, we have to speak to the man in charge up the road.

2nd Resident

Oh, they might have gone now. They usually knock off about five, I don't know.

Mary Bouquet

We'll come back again tomorrow.

2nd Resident

Yeah.

Jos van der Pol

OK, thanks.

2nd Resident

Umm, I've spent a lot of time here.

[ ]

2nd Resident

Nice to talk to you. Take care. Bye bye.

Voice

Hey Brian, are you using that concrete?

[Sounds of shovelling and a digger]

3rd Resident

What's the idea?

Mary Bouquet

Well that's what we are looking for you see, so we're just talking to people who are doing things.

3rd Resident

For useage where?

Mary Bouquet

Well, in a sort of - in a project were doing. It's kind of art.

3rd Resident

Can you tell me more about it?

Mary Bouquet

Well we're actually staying down the hill at Birchcliffe.

3rd Resident

Birchcliffe?

Mary Bouquet

Yes.

3rd Resident

So you're roaming the hillsides gathering potential topics?

Mary Bouquet

Talking to people, basically, yes. So it was a pretty interesting story that this house fell down and that you're rebuilding it.

3rd Resident

Yeah, it wasn't a house, it was a garage. Very high winds knocked the wall out.

Jos van der Pol

So are you building a garage again?

3rd Resident

No, a house. It's a conversion of a garage into a house.

Jos van der Pol

Is it quite a big house?

3rd Resident

Umm, well, it'll be three or four bedrooms, not massive. So how long does your project last?

Jos van der Pol

It's three days.

3rd Resident

Three days?

Jos van der Pol

We have to come up with something tomorrow.

3rd Resident

Are you on a film project?

Jos van der Pol

No, it's art and anthropology.

3rd Resident

Art and whatery?

Jos van der Pol

Art and anthropology. And we have to work together not knowing each other …

3rd Resident

… previously.

Jos van der Pol

That's right. We were sent out.

Mary Bouquet

So how many people are working here then?

3rd Resident

It varies. Anything up to … on the biggest night there were probably about 12 people here. Generally speaking…

Mary Bouquet

So you work through the night?

3rd Resident

It was dark at the time. No, we don't go through the night. Although we have worked pretty late. No, generally speaking through the day. That particular night we were pouring a load of concrete. That took a long time. But we work into the night rather than through the night. It's usually three, four, five or six people.

Jos van der Pol

So that's the foundation of the house?

3rd Resident

No, this is for parking.

Mary Bouquet

But, if we wanted to come back in daylight tomorrow would that be OK? And just take some still pictures?

3rd Resident

Well. I mean it depends a little on where it's likely to end up I suppose.

Mary Bouquet

It won't end up anywhere very interesting.

Jos van der Pol

It's not your house?

3rd Resident

It's my son-in-laws and my daughters. You get people … I mean this gate for instance here was left open and somebody complained too the council because the gate was left open and it wasn't delineating the side of the road properly. So, there is some reticence to actually go into film and the wider world because there's always someone who's potentially going to find a use for it, beyond your own use.

Jos van der Pol

Who designed the house?

3rd Resident

I did, I designed the house. I'm not an architect. A friend of mine did the main plan design. But I work in the arts so I understand it. Recognise that people have issues with [inaudible]

Jos van der Pol

When will it be finished?

3rd Resident

I suppose we should be looking towards August. The main structure of the house will be finished in the next two or three months and then there's finishing off and then all this work to do too.

Jos van der Pol

Have you been lucky with the weather?

3rd Resident

Very bad with the weather so far. It's rained virtually non-stop rain.

Jos van der Pol

That's better than snow.

3rd Resident

It's better than snow but the rain and wind was incredibly bad before Christmas, before you arrived in the country no doubt. Have you come from abroad?

Jos van der Pol

Holland

3rd Resident

What's the name of the course you're on? Oh you said..

Mary Bouquet

Connecting Art and Anthropology

3rd Resident

Art and anthropology.

Jos van der Pol

Are you cold?

Mary Bouquet

Yes, so maybe we have to go back now. But thank you for talking to us.

3rd Resident

Bye.

Mary Bouquet

Bye.

Mary Bouquet

It was a nice walk wasn't it.

David Chapman

Lot of material to work with.

Mary Bouquet

That's all you need.

Lucien Taylor

So do you feel like you're just been an exterior documentarist or do you feel you're kind of part of this whole collective confabulation and you have ideas and have been provoked by it.

David Chapman

It's interesting because I'm listening to the ideas and discussion and what's happening, but I've been hired to do a specific job so I'm standing back a bit.